Posts by Captain Obvious

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If you were to share TTATT what would you say?

by Crazyguy in

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i'm thinking of sharing some ttatt with my kids especially the older two 12 and 14, but not sure what to say or what parts of ttatt to share.

i think all of it would be to much so would like some ideas that may help get into their heads, please..

Captain Obvious

How about researching with them the physics needed to create a global flood? Not trolling, serious. The WT still teaches the flood story as fact. They even still teach the water canopy thing as fact! Like shooting fish in a barrel.

I know you want to 'lead them to Christ' or whatever.. So *christian hat on* how about asking them about how they truly feel about all of the obligations involved with being a JW? You could share that you find it a drag sometimes. You could contrast the "gotta get to all the meetings and out in service enough so that god might not kill us" attitude in Jw land. Ask if they feel they have to earn their salvation? Then contrast that with Romans and Ephesians where Paul makes a generous effort to explain that the ransom was sufficient, nothing could be added to it. Nothing they can do can have an effect on whether they benefit from the ransom, whatever that means to you. When was leaving that was a big help. *christian hat off*

Are they involved in any extra curriculars? Would they like to be? Playing sports or something can be a good distraction. Plus the added benefits of more non-Dub friends and some missed meetings for games and practice. If you just drop the bomb on them they might feel lost without something else to focus on.

Your kids will be able to sense the changes in you immediately. Make sure they like the changes they see in dad, be cool dad. Even though you're a Fundie lol

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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!

by Crazyguy in

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ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.

the theory of major evolution is crap!

the theory is falling apart.

Captain Obvious

It only seems that way to you, the believer. You don't know there are holes, you have been taught by creationist pseudo scientists that there are. They make an assertion, then claim it is an issue with the theory. You have cited such examples on this thread. Then there are claims like the claim that the fossil record shows no intermediate species... False. But if it we asserted by such a pseudo scientist in your book, you would likely accept it without really finding out the truth because it confirms your bias. Does that make sense?

I appreciate your sticking it out with your thread. A thread with a title like this one HAD to go on. You can't make a statement like that, make silly assertions in your OP, ignore responses and then expect it wouldn't go to 12 pages and counting.

You say there are so many holes... How much information do you want? The truth is, the MOUNTAIN of direct evidence to support Darwin's theory of Natural Selection is truly staggering. A small honest consideration of it was enough to convert me, and several million others. Research on the subject is not done usually with the goal of letting go of god. Personally, that was the hardest part.

After realizing that I was lied to my whole life I tried hard to stick to Christianity. Unfortunately the deeper I looked into the bible, the larger my list of questions and doubts grew. I had always been taught the WT's view on evolution. After reading those WT books again with an open mind, referencing their quote mined articles I decided it was time for a deeper look into natural history. I reasoned that if they had to lie outright to make a case against the theory, I'd better take a deeper look. The only thing holding me to a belief in Christianity was a personal obligation to my creator for creating me.

I asked myself a question that everyone would do well to mask themselves; how much information does a person have to overlook, in hopes of supporting evidence coming to light before he becomes an ignorant fool? Am I an ignorant fool? Surely I can't be. I know I don't want to be. I picked up The Blind Watchmaker with a skeptical view. I held many of the reservations you do, albeit less detailed. I wanted a fuller explanation of what evolution is, how it works and what is some of the evidence for it. Surely if it were so obviously a farce as I had been taught it was, 98% of the world's leading scientists were also wrong. Those are odds I wouldn't play against.

I'm going to go check out your TATT thread now, it has serious potential. I hope I haven't offended you with any of my responses to this or your other thread. I forget sometimes that not that long ago it could have been me saying those things you have said.

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Sparlock is helping Mormons

by cedars in

check out this awesome video - part 7 in a series where a mormon uses the witnesses as a proxy to figure out why his own faith is wrong.. sparlock, hassan's bite model, and even the 2013 "human apostates" convention talk all make cameos.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmesmlhydru.

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cedars.

Captain Obvious

The sad thing is that the sparlock video is actually a pretty good rendition on a real JW upbringing. Constant fear of upsetting sky daddy. You start reading the bible story book as soon as you can turn a page. Gruesome so say the least.

This video is awesome. What we need is a reverse one. Mormonism-JWism. Perhaps when Cold Steel realizes that magic underwear is useless, he can make one.

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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.

the theory of major evolution is crap!

the theory is falling apart.

Captain Obvious

It's not stupid, and it very well may have been created! There is just zero evidence to support such a concept.

Should a non-imaginary deity show up on the scene and prove who he is, prove that he created everything and tell us how he did it.. THEN it would be time to consider whether this deity deserves to be worshipped, served or ignored. If it happens to be the YHVH of the bible, I'll pass. I'd take Satan over that guy.

Like I said before, the laws that do not change do not make it obvious that they were created. It may to you, but that is your confirmation bias. I see you have skipped away from the evolution subject again... Back on track pal, I can do this all day. No need to be slippery, you are running out of ground to slip on!

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Son is giving first talk, conflicted

by marriedtoajw in

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my son is still studying with the jw's and is giving his first talk this tuesday.

he's 22 and still living in my home.

my other two boys 12 and 15 are here as well but don't study cuz wifee knows how i feel.

Captain Obvious

If you go, you can be sure of the whispers in the hall.

"Did you see brother so and so's reading? He did so well!"

"Ohh yes and his family was so supportive!"

"Did you notice even sister so and so's husband came!"

"Yes! Wouldn't it be great if he started coming into the truth!"

"Soo encouraging!"

Keep in mind that in a JWs mind, being at the meeting is like kryptonite to the unbeliever. You just CAN'T sit there and not SEE its the truth! They will automatically think your looking to become a Dub.

While supporting your son is a good thing to do, I can see how you would be conflicted. You don't want to give your son the false hope that you will become a Dub too.

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Canada Day

by Truth seeker 674 in

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tommorow is canada day lets hear some uplifting stories on canada day!

those from the us and great britain and ethniic communities around the world lets hear from you..

Captain Obvious

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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

by QC in

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if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

this is a game changer.

the bomb!.

Captain Obvious

FHN, please watch the video I posted a link to. It doesn't sound so far fetched once its explained by a man like Krauss. 54 minutes well spent IMO

Oh, and if you are able to pull out your cigarette lighter or remove the panel it's mounted on, you may be able to find and fix your broken wire. That's what I'd do...

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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.

the theory of major evolution is crap!

the theory is falling apart.

Captain Obvious

CrazyGuy, now who's the one not responding to the issues at hand?

As has been mentioned several times so far in this thread if you would be so kind as to read them before posting... Your questions about light, colour, etc. cannot be solved by studying evolution. Those things are governed by the laws of physics. These laws do not change. It is possible that they could be the same in any and all universes, we cannot know that. If you want to know about physics, then learn about physics. You don't go to the doctor to have your car fixed, and your mechanic won't be able to help heal your broken bones. Stick to one theory at a time, please.

The fact that the laws of physics are in place has nothing to do with where they came from. They're complicated, sure, but that still does not mean they were created by somebody. In fact, they played a huge role in our universe coming to be.

In a post above I replied to every point in your OP. please respond. And keep in mind that just because I personally or we on this board who are humouring this silly debate are not qualified to succinctly answer your questions has no bearing on what the true answers to your questions are. Understand?

Go back, read all the posts in the last few pages of YOUR thread then please reply. And please don't bounce around subject to subject when you find yourself losing ground... A frustrating but common defence tactic of people with a poor defence.

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

Captain Obvious

God is a God of the living, not the dead.

For a God of the living, he sure wants a lot of people to die!

"Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position" - Bill Maher

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The godless commit less crime, have longer marriages and are more highly educated than almost any other group in America

by DJS in

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team,.

the following is a letter to the editor from this morning's local newspaper.

i haven't vetted any of this, and i don't know the writer of it.

Captain Obvious

InChristAlone, unfortunately yours isn't the attitude of most believers. Most believers seem to feel justified in treating those who disagree with disrespect.